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Revision as of 23:07, 19 April 2022
, 2 years agoAdd note that I found the problem with template styles in the one template, but it will be removed anyhow when I finish the examples the template is used in.
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::: I can do but if I understand correctly, as you are not an interface administrator now, I should request for removing to another admin? (Just now CA is the only member of admin) Thank you, anyway! [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 13:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:::: Yes, requests to change things should go to CA, I'd hope he'd take this discussion into account when making the changes, as some of what you have reqeusted now needs to stay in Common.css per the reasons below.
::I’ll just add a note that if VE is only for ease of short term revamping, I’d be completely fine to turn it on again temporarily then turn it off later when we’re mostly done. I just don’t love the idea of adding a layer of viewing/testing complication or swapping for the long-term if that makes sense? I have examples preloading content in source edit, users would have to know how to switch, though with preview right there I’m not sure why they would want/need to? I’m not a big VE user though, only using it for complex tables with multiple colspan and rowspans, so maybe there’s some essential component to it that I’m just not seeing at current? Perhaps you can help me to better understand why you think it is essential and if you see that as a short or long term need? Some of our users can’t even figure out how to switch between VE and source edit, or they use VE so much elsewhere that they cant grasp working with wikitext for tables etc, though that is very necessary for understanding a lot of DPL3 examples. [[User:FrozenPlum|FrozenPlum]] ([[User talk:FrozenPlum|talk]]) 08:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
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::: No worries Lens0021, stuff happens. I'm not sure Soukupmi, I'd have to check the manual for that extension another day, I'm not familiar at all with it (and for now, it is bedtime for me so I can't look). Have fun folks! [[User:FrozenPlum|FrozenPlum]] ([[User talk:FrozenPlum|talk]]) 09:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
: What exactly is the reason for having a different css anyway? TBH I was really confused by the sudden use of a template around a working example (yeah, I lurk around here because I want to learn more about the usages of DPL). And just for the reason of looks complicating an example unnecessarily with a template, that an unknown user looking for help with #dplmatrix would now think they have to use to get it to work.<br>For me examples should have a working code that I can easily understand and copy-paste (with adaptions to my need). No fancy stylesheets - if I want those, I'll do it on my wiki. KISS is the way to keep it, especially for examples, even more on a topic as complex as DPL.<br>Thanks, FrozenPlum, for making it clear again, and please, Lens0021, don't make them confusing - DPL is confusing me enough. --[[User:Soukupmi|Soukupmi]] ([[User talk:Soukupmi|talk]]) 09:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:::: Fresh eyes helped me to see the reason this broke: Table syntax must always begin on a new line to be correctly recognized and rendered, and apparently when a template styles reference is inserted at the beginning of a line, MediaWiki tables also seem to see it and not provide proper table syntax. In these cases either a new line is needed, or template styles inserted elsewhere. I undid my "undo" and added the line there, purged the cache for a page it's used on, and it now correctly displays, and enables template style use. Though I will say that this template is used in some examples (out of necessity), and template styles does then complicate users inspecting it (when the examples it is used in are already quite complex and thus should remain free of added complexity). For that reason, I will probably end up removing template styles from that example when I finish refining its description and linking to its template (I had done an initial few stabs at the example, but didn't finish and left it to finish later). If involved/used in an example, please don't include template styles for the reasons mentioned above and below. I left it for now so it could be seen that temlpate styles before a table interferes with the table rendering correctly (this was good learning for me also). [[User:FrozenPlum|FrozenPlum]] ([[User talk:FrozenPlum|talk]]) 23:06, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:: [[User:Soukupmi|@Soukupmi]] What I tried is moving styles from MediaWiki:Common.css to the /styles.css subpages. The appearance changes are not intended. I am sorry for confusing you. [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 10:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
::: I'm not talking about appearance. You literally wrapped the example into a template - for style reasons solely. People who aren't very familiar with how templates work (yes, I've met a few) could now think that they have to do it like this.<br>Also - I don't see any reason why you would want to move the styles to a different stylesheet - maybe you can enlighten me there. --[[User:Soukupmi|Soukupmi]] ([[User talk:Soukupmi|talk]]) 15:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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